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After 34 years together, Melbourne couple Phil Kafcaloudes and Jackie Rees-Kafcaloudes have had some tough conversations about kids, ageing and the meaning of commitment. Alexandra Spring talks to the couple about how they stay together

In honour of Valentine’s Day, this episode is a simple love story. It’s part of a series at the Guardian by columnist Alexandra Spring called ‘How we stay together’ where she talks to couples about how they navigate life’s challenges.

For Melbourne couple Phil and Jackie that’s meant some tough conversations about kids, ageing and the meaning of commitment.

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